# Podcasts for CIAM Builders: Customer Identity, Fraud and Verification Source: https://startwithidentity.com/articles/ciam-podcasts-customer-identity-fraud-verification/ Last updated: 2026-10-01 License: content by Start with Identity. Cite the source URL. --- No podcast is dedicated to [customer identity and access management](https://startwithidentity.com/guides/fundamentals/what-is-ciam/). For a CIAM product or engineering team, the useful material is spread across general identity shows, analyst chats, and the trade press that covers verification and biometrics. The 13 episodes below, plus one on mobile driver's licenses, are the ones we would hand a new CIAM team, ordered from the basics of how customer identity differs from workforce IAM, through consumer passkeys and consent, to fraud, verification, and migrating tens of millions of accounts. Several guests work for CIAM vendors, and one episode is a paid sponsor feature. Both are labelled. ## Part 1: What makes customer identity different **1. [#223 CIAM with Cassio Sampaio of Okta](https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/identity-at-the-center/episodes/223---CIAM-with-Cassio-Sampaio-of-Okta-e26tvtd)** (Identity at the Center, 77 min). What customer identity is, how it differs from workforce IAM, the role of self-service, and the common problems when a business first adopts CIAM. The guest is from [Okta](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/iam/okta/), so expect a vendor's framing of the market. Start here. **2. [Analyst Chat #147: From Customers and Citizens to B2B and B2B2C](https://media.kuppingercole.com/listen/analystchat147)** (KuppingerCole Analyst Chat, 23 min). The main CIAM segments: individual consumers, citizens dealing with government, and structured B2B and B2B2C customers who need organization-level access control. A quick way to place your product. Pair it with our [B2B vs B2C CIAM](https://startwithidentity.com/articles/b2b-vs-b2c-ciam/) guide. **3. [#154 Customer MFA vs. Workforce MFA](https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/identity-at-the-center/episodes/154---Customer-MFA-vs--Workforce-MFA-e1kthuc)** (Identity at the Center, 47 min). Why multifactor authentication for customers is a different problem from MFA for employees, and which is harder to get right. Customers did not ask for MFA and will leave if it gets in the way. **4. [Log-In Equals Retention](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Ph0vYHE2eSlWZ6qg3Xyd1)** (Mistaken Identity, 48 min, 2023). From Okta's short-lived show for product managers: why the login experience is a product and retention decision, and why companies increasingly buy customer identity rather than build it. The show's own feed no longer plays, so the link goes to Spotify. ## Part 2: Sign-in design and consumer passkeys **5. [#433 Sponsor Spotlight: FusionAuth](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/433-sponsor-spotlight-fusionauth/id1471899975?i=1000775931661)** (Identity at the Center, 2026). A paid sponsor episode with [FusionAuth](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/ciam/fusionauth/), included because it covers design choices few episodes discuss: progressive registration, trading friction against usability, customization, risk-based MFA, and build versus buy. Treat it as a vendor's view. **6. [5 Lessons from Rolling Out Passkeys to Millions of Users](https://entra.news/p/5-lessons-from-rolling-out-passkeys)** (Entra.Chat, 46 min, 2026). Vincent Delitz of passkey vendor [Corbado](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/ciam/corbado/) on consumer passkey rollouts at scale: motivations such as login speed and conversion, phasing out passwords, and making account recovery phishing-resistant so it does not become the weak path. **7. [#260 Passkeys with Daniel Grube of TikTok](https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/identity-at-the-center/episodes/260---Passkeys-with-Daniel-Grube-of-TikTok-e2frfpn)** (Identity at the Center, 49 min). How TikTok offered passkeys at sign-up, and the adoption and user messaging problems its product manager ran into. A consumer platform's view, not a vendor's. Read alongside: [Best passwordless CIAM providers](https://startwithidentity.com/rankings/best-passwordless-ciam-providers/) and the [passkeys learning path](https://startwithidentity.com/podcasts/learn/passkeys-fido/). ## Part 3: Privacy, consent, and where CIAM is heading **8. [Analyst Chat #108: Privacy and Consent Management](https://media.kuppingercole.com/listen/analystchat108)** (KuppingerCole Analyst Chat, 2022). What consent management tools do, how the market is defined, and how consent capture connects to the customer identity platform. Still the clearest audio introduction to [consent management](https://startwithidentity.com/glossary/consent-management/). **9. [Analyst Chat #293: CIAM is Evolving](https://media.kuppingercole.com/listen/analystchat293)** (KuppingerCole Analyst Chat, 18 min, 2026). John Tolbert on current pressures: consumer versus B2B segmentation, passkey UX gaps, identity lifecycle, and why account recovery has become a prime fraud target. The best short update for a team planning its next year. ## Part 4: Fraud, account takeover, and verification **10. [Behavioral Biometrics in Fraud Prevention](https://stateofidentity.libsyn.com/securing-digital-transactions-the-power-of-behavioral-biometrics-in-fraud-prevention)** (State of Identity, 29 min, 2023). A guest from [BioCatch](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/identity-verification/biocatch/) on how behavioral biometrics detect account takeover and impersonation scams from how a user interacts with a session. Vendor-specific, but the technique is general. **11. [#388 Fraud Reduction Intelligence Platforms with John Tolbert](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/388-fraud-reduction-intelligence-platforms-with-john/id1471899975?i=1000739106926)** (Identity at the Center, 59 min). How identity verification, device intelligence, behavioral biometrics, and shared signals combine into one customer-facing fraud defense, from KuppingerCole analyst John Tolbert. **12. [E49 The IAM and Fraud Episode](https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/the-cyber-hut/episodes/E49---The-IAM-and-Fraud-Episode-e2ifhbd)** (The Analyst Brief, 51 min). Why identity and fraud teams are converging, how to measure success, and how people and process must change to counter the fraudster's advantage. Useful for the organizational argument inside your company. For verification vendors, see our [identity verification category](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/identity-verification/). For government-issued digital credentials, **[Ajay Gupta on California's mDL program](https://www.buzzsprout.com/2132091/episodes/16220488)** (The Future of Identity, 2024) covers adoption data, where mobile driver's licenses are accepted, and remote verification, which matters if you plan to accept [mDLs](https://startwithidentity.com/standards/iso-18013-5-mdl/) at onboarding. ## Part 5: Running CIAM at scale **13. [Azure AD B2C to Entra External ID: Migration Strategies](https://entra.news/p/azure-ad-b2c-to-entra-external-id)** (Entra.Chat, 39 min). Two Microsoft engineers on operating customer identity at very large scale (tenants with more than 100 million users, holiday sign-in peaks) and moving users between platforms without forcing password resets. Directly relevant if you run [Azure AD B2C](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/ciam/microsoft-entra-external-id/); the migration patterns apply to any platform. See also our [CIAM migration guide](https://startwithidentity.com/articles/ciam-migration-guide/). ## Shows to follow - **[The ID Talk Podcast](https://startwithidentity.com/podcasts/id-talk-podcast/)**: trade-press interviews on biometrics, identity documents, deepfakes and digital ID, weekly to monthly. - **[The Biometric Update Podcast](https://startwithidentity.com/podcasts/biometric-update-podcast/)**: short weekly episodes on age assurance, digital ID and verification, written for a general audience. - **[The Future of Identity](https://startwithidentity.com/podcasts/the-future-of-identity/)**: founders and product leaders building wallets, verification and mobile ID products, from [Trinsic](https://startwithidentity.com/vendors/decentralized-identity/trinsic/)'s chief executive. - **[State of Identity](https://startwithidentity.com/podcasts/state-of-identity/)**: dormant since 2024, but 358 episodes of verification and fraud market history. ## What is missing No episode we found covers progressive profiling on its own, or the economics of SMS one-time passwords for consumer sign-in, a live question as [SMS MFA winds down](https://startwithidentity.com/blog/sms-mfa-off-ramp-2027/). The [CIAM learning path](https://startwithidentity.com/podcasts/learn/ciam/) will add them when good episodes appear. For platform choices, see our [best CIAM platforms](https://startwithidentity.com/rankings/best-ciam-platforms/) ranking and the [CIAM pricing models](https://startwithidentity.com/articles/ciam-pricing-models-explained/) explainer.